#based on the fit she wore that scene should have been in ep 2

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Remember when we all thought Mike and Anna would play a major role in Jiara’s angst this season? 🤡

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Evan Evagora did an AMA involving the Star Trek Shitposting Facebook Group - the questions and answers below were copy/pasted direct from the collated master post. Evan is a member of the group, who participates under an unknown pseudonym.

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AMA Master Post!

Thanks so much to Evan Evagora for taking time out of his day for our AMA earlier. To make the questions and answers easier for ya'll to find, here they all are together below.

Q: How does my love of cats compare to Elnor?

A: Im actually more of a dog person, there was a scene that had Elnor and spot 2 unite briefly but unfortunately it didn’t leave the editing room

Q: How familiar was I with Star Trek before and did I have to do research?

A: I grew up with TNG, I’d have to say either worf, Guinan or Q are my favourite characters. And I was given episodes to watch that were to help with information before filming Picard

Q: How was I prepped to deal with the crazy fans?

A: I got told to join Star Trek shitposting 😉. Not but in all seriousness, it was Jonathan Frakes who gave me advice on entering the world of fandom from the other side and he said it’s been nothing short of a pleasure

Q: So if Hugh had survived would they have made out?

A: what happens on the cube stays on the cube

Q: My favourite moment of s1

A: getting to slice that romulans head off

Q: How did I hear about Star Trek shitposting?

A: most of the crew is either a part of the group or knows about, one of the amazing hair and make up ladies got me into I think my first or second day

Q: If I had to be Tuvixed with someone excluding elnor?

A: mirror verse Elnor, nah worf to be honest

Q: What is something I’d like to do in season 2

A: Id like to see Elnor and spot 2 together

Q: How am I passing my time woth quarantine?

A: ama for the gronp! Nah I’ve just been reading, writing and also the contact I’m having with the fans too has really helped a lot

Q: If I had to quarantine with any of my costars who would it be and why

A: I’d go with hardy treadaway he’s got the nicest place

Q: What am I hoping to see in Elnor’s future

A: Inner peace, contentment and possibly shorter hair?

Q: Am I intimidated by working on a show with such a big fan base?

A: no I grew up with Star Trek, you’re really in a bubble of filming when you’re making the show, it all didn’t really hit home until the first trailer at San Diego

Q: Would I consider playing Elnor as non binary

A: I’ve seen a lot of debate and discussion about not only my character but others in the series, if there is something that connects you with a character on this show and it resonates with you, even if it’s shown, not shown or hinted at I’m all for it. I am not for the constant belittlement, bullying and criticism of not only the characters on the show but also other fans. It really does break my heart reading comments where people aren’t welcoming of one another, because that is the whole reason why Trek has bought so many together and by spewing these disgusting cruel words out your not only showing the world you don’t understand the meaning behind the show, you also are destroying the thing that makes us all love it

Q: Is there Australia on romulas

A: yeah they have a down under I’m sure of it. No the accent can easily be explained with, Elnor left romulas at a young age, moved to a planet with different species and languages spoken so that influenced his accent

Q: Have I seen Elnor fan fiction and art?

A: yeah some of it has been really amazing! And some others have been...creative

Q: How excited am I to make home movies with my action figures?

A: my plan is to buy everyone’s, make them record audio and then film shit using the dolls and their voices

Q: Are you playing animal crossing?

A: I’ve preordered it because they’ve sold out here in aus, but in playing civ 6 to pass time and Mario party

Q: Did I get to try Romulan ale?

A: no I wish, I’m kind of hoping for a scene next year where Elnor gets drunk for the first time

Q: What character did I wish would appear in our show?

A: one word, one letter Q

Q: What’s my background have I been acting long?

A: Picard was my third acting gig, and the first project to release, so I have got some experience acting and I have previous work but it has either just aired or is going to next year

Q: Please my friend choose a charity you would like us to donate to

A: food bank

Q: Favourite ninja turtle

A: it’s always been Raph and always will be

Q: Do I know much about Elnors background

A: I know things that haven’t been mentioned yet, but also given his character is new and season 1 just finished, hopefully some of those things are explored

Q: How would o feel about the fan theory that Spock is my father

A: I mean, I’m not really sure, I can always shoot Ethan a message and ask him what he thinks too

Q: Which classic episode trope would I like to see?

A: mirror universe

Q: Can we look forward to more ninja representation?

A: is Elnor not enough? ☹️

Q: Were there any particular characters I drew inspiration from, any elves?

A: there’s a particular group of people I think Elnor might have been inspired from. Can I just say how cool it would be if Elnor is just cosplaying as an elf because Picard left him a copy of Lotr when he was young

Q: Would I be open to exploring Elnors sexuality in s2 and what would it be?

A: I am totally open for that, and as for Elnors sexuality, I’m not sure he’s only 17 he’s just left his planet and gone off on an adventure where he openly knew the success may lead in his death or others he hasn’t had time to figure himself out so seeing his sexuality explored would be amazing

Q: What stories did you hear about working on precious trek series from the OG actors?

A; So we found out Michael Dorn used to muddle his lines up because he was normally the last close up of the day. They used to put bets on to see how many takes he’d have to do. All I must add in very fun spirits nothing ever malicious or mean

Q: My long term career goals

A: id like to keep pursuing more roles I’m acting, I’m a big writer and have some projects I’m looking at getting created but right now I’d say I’m just here to learn and grow

Q: What do I write?

A: right now I’m working on three screenplays and two pilots most of the stuff I’ve written is just sitting on my hard drive just waiting to be used

Q: Ever fried an egg, buttered and vegemite'd some toast and eaten it like a sandwich?

A: what I just read, scared the crap out of me, I love vegemite but the most I’ll do is add cheese to it

Q: What is one of my favourite stories about s1

A: Jeri Ryan and I had a scene together in the borg cube (what a queen she made!) it was shooting at night and I think it was the final shot of the day, we couldn’t keep a straight face and just laughed through about fifteen takes

Q: Are you a big fan of fandom besides Trek?

A: Star Wars, lotr, the magician series Raymond e feist, a song of fire and ice series, avatar last air bender and legend of Korra (would love to play zuko) and of course Batman (fav Jason Todd as the hood)

Q: Could I see myself playing Elnor for six or seven years?

A: as long as there’s a good story that myself and fans will enjoy, but if it didn’t meet my expectations no. And also hopefully the writers and creators would want to

Q: My top TNG eps are in no particular order

I borg, all good things, tapestry, the measure of a man and all good things

I’ll also add I borg especially because it’s just cool seeing where Hugh began and how he ended up

Q: How did I land the role of Elnor?

A: I was on a break from filming Fantasy Island (a movie based off the old tv show) and I was home for pilot season which is when they cast for shows, I had two weeks of daily auditions before I was due to fly back and start filming again, two days before I was meant to leave I got an audition for Picard, the script had a code name and Elnors name was Kbar on it, but I was told it was Star Trek. I went into the room and thought I didn’t do a very good job, then I flew to film and two days later I was told I’ve made a list of people being considered, after a few more auditions and a couple of phone calls from producers and everything I found myself on a plane to LA five weeks later

Q: Have I made friends among the cast?

A: no, we tried really hard to become friends, but unfortunately we ended up becoming a family instead. Everything we say in interviews about us getting along is all true and not fake. I’m the newest to acting out of everyone so I was kind of of shocked to find out that how close we all are isn’t necessarily how it will be when I shoot other projects, so I think we just got lucky or they casted really well

Q: Have the Picard people seen your memes?

A: yes I’ve shown them the memes from the page, I’ve shown everyone including Patrick we find most of them funny (some shocking)

Not shocking in a bad way

Unexpected I should say

Q: How do I feel about the ears?

A: I wore them so much they came up in my dreams, but they were the easiest thing to apply onto me

Q: Which non tng character would I like to see return?

A: I wouldn’t mind seeing the doctor

Q: The most relatable Star Trek character?

A: Look for me growing up it was Wesley, i just picked anyone who was the young one. And I grew up with my sisters and was always being told I’m either wrong, an idiot or just to shut up

Q: Did I have previous martial arts experience before the show?

A: I have a background in boxing which helps when it comes to movement, reflexes and just all around fitness for stunts. I didn’t have any sword fighting experience before we began training for the show however

Q: How do you think being raised by an order of women affected Elnor?

A: I think it gave him a healthy understanding of not only the strength and resilience of women but I think he understands not only gender equality but just equality in general and I think that’s directly to do with growing up in a sect of all female warrior nuns

Q: What is a type of meme you would like to see more of in the group?

A: I love all the memes in the group, I hardly like any of them now incase someone figures out who I am though ahahah

Q: Favorite recent memes?

A: See my comment below

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Do you think Oliver's reasons for not agreeing to train LL valid? He cites that Sara would never forgive him and asked about Lance and what would happen to him if anything happened to LL. Do you think oliver knew deep down that LL would find a way to be out on the streets because of the magical powers she felt she got from wearing Sara's jacket. Nyssa herself said that she wasn't fit to wear it. Granted these moments were the early episodes of s3.

Well, it should be noted that Oliver is NOT the only person who didn’t want Laurel to become a vigilante! It’s also interesting how all the characters that gave reasons for Laurel NOT not to be a vigilante: Oliver, Nyssa, Lance, even Sara mentioned in S2 she wanted Laurel & her family to be kept separate from what she did with the League & Team Arrow. All of these characters gave really logical arguments as to why Laurel should NOT join Team Arrow in an active capacity (as Black Canary or as a vigilante).

1) Nyssa argued that Laurel was unfit to wear Sara’s jacket. My interpretation is that it’s not just personal for Nyssa, b/c Sara was the woman she loved. It’s also about her League upbringing. Nyssa believes in things like legacies. She felt that Laurel couldn’t uphold Sara’s legacy (which, from what was shown to us viewers, was to fight for women; to bring justice to women). The ONE time we see Laurel fight for a woman is when she’s at an AA meeting & learns that one of her fellow AA members is in an abusive relationship. So, what does Laurel do - she does what she does best. She acts without any forethought to her actions!

Speaking as someone whose been in an abusive relationship & studied the psychology of abusers & has been an advocate for victims, the way that Laurel went about this was ALL wrong. First, let’s talk about how women should help other women in an abusive situation the RIGHT way…

As another woman’s defender NEVER let the abuser know you’re acting on behalf of the victim. Abusers are KNOWN for blaming their victims no matter what. If an abuser knows that you are defending their victims, the person who will suffer most in the end, are the victims themselves! B/c the abuser will blame them for what you as the defender did. When Sara, & now Dinah, go after abusers they don’t tell them why they go after them. You never saw Sara announce herself to rapists & tell them why she was beating the crap out of them. She just did it! It was people like Felicity who found out why Sara did what she did b/c Sara told her directly, ”No woman should suffer at the hands of men!” If Sara had told this to the abusers/rapists, those same guys would’ve likely gone home & abused their victims more, b/c the abusers would automatically believe that their victim had told someone about the abuse. B/c that’s what abusers do; that’s how they think! To them, it’s always the victims’ fault!

So, when Laurel puts a ski mask on & goes after her AA abuse-victim’s abuser, when Laurel acts as her defender, Laurel announces to the abuser, “I hear you like to hit women!” Well, how would Laurel know this? B/c she heard the victim talking about it. Which is exactly what the abuser would assume, that his victim told Laurel. So, when Laurel instead fails to take down the abuser, it’s very likely that THAT same abuser went home & did even worse to his girlfriend - the real victim. The abuser would’ve blamed the victim for what Laurel TRIED to do! The way that Laurel went about defending the victim, instead likely endangered the victim further! Now, in terms of Laurel’s actions: 1) this is classic Laurel - she doesn’t think about the consequences of her actions so in a way it is very in-character; 2) this is on the show writers for not thinking that scene through entirely as they should’ve!

But, also, in this regard, from Nyssa’s view on Sara’s Legacy - on her view that Laurel is trying to take Sara’s place as a defender of women - yes, her argument that Laurel is unfit to wear Sara’s jacket is very legit & valid! B/c what Laurel does doesn’t actually help the victim.

2) Lance has already lost one daughter to the crime-fighting life. While he’s proud Laurel wants to help other, he’d rather she do it in a less direct, less dangerous way. And the truth is, Laurel didn’t need to become the Black Canary to become a hero - not all heroes wear masks. Felicity is proof of that! Frankly, there’s so many masks on the show now, that it’s downright repetitious (the same could be said with the number of Black Canary arcs there have been). What would’ve brought some much needed development & uniqueness to the show is by showing many different kinds of women being different kinds of heroes. You don’t have to be physical to be a badass hero, sometimes the mind is the greatest weapon, not your fists. Again something that Felicity has proven! So, what would’ve brought more depth to the show & to Laurel was if they’d made her a hero in her own right by focusing more on what she does as a lawyer (& if she’d done it without Team Arrow’s help all the time). She could’ve been a lawyer vigilante - bend the will of the law in the courtroom not on the streets! Not only would this have changed things up on the show (instead of having Laurel force her way on Team Arrow; instead of making Team Arrow feel over-crowded) it would’ve also made Lance feel like his daughter was more safe & given Laurel her own purpose without making it feel like she was usurping Sara’s role on the show!

3) The one thing Sara wanted for Laurel was happiness. Sara always felt a lot of guilt over the pain that she caused Laurel when she ran off with Ollie. Sara wanted Laurel to be able to come back from that, to rise above what Sara was & be better. Sara wanted MORE for Laurel. The fact that Laurel cares so little for what Sara wanted for her, especially after Sara’s death, just makes Laurel’s desire to become Black Canary almost insulting to Sara’s memory. Especially when you compare it to Oliver’s vow to Tommy in S2. Tommy hated that Oliver killed. How does Oliver value & respect Tommy’s memory? He vows he will do his best not to kill! He remembers & listens to Tommy’s concern even after Tommy’s death! In comparison, Laurel disregard for Sara’s wishes after death just made Laurel that much more dislikable.

To top it off, Sara struggled a lot with killing (like Oliver). It’s the very reason she left the League & when Laurel desires to kill to avenge her sister - THAT’S the exact opposite of what Sara was working towards, an argument voiced by Oliver as well. Sara was trying to overcome being a killer. While Laurel was often seeking it out: 2x11 when Laurel killed the cop that wore the skull mask in cold blood (she acted poorly on her gut instead of legit proof), 3x02 when Laurel attempts to kill someone she assumes killed Sara, when Laurel briefly wanted to punish Roy when she thought he was Sara’s killer but he was proved innocent (yet she blames Oliver for not telling her it was Thea who killed Sara), throughout S3 when Laurel wanted vengeance for Sara’s death & often encouraged & pushed Oliver to kill. Not only does this go against what Sara herself wanted but it also goes against the vow Oliver made in memory of Tommy. Leading the assumption that Laurel was dishonoring both Sara AND Tommy.

Also, it really brings to light that Laurel’s arc was more about one-upping Sara than it was about living up to any legacy! The show itself has even drawn on this comparison many times during Laurel’s BC arc: when Laurel goes as far as pretending to be Sara in order to keep Sara’s death a secret from her father, & most especially in 3x18 “Canaries” ep.

Not only that, Laurel is none for acting on her own, lies to the Team & her father, doesn’t think before she acts, & doesn’t seem to like to listen to authority - all of this proves & shows she would NOT be good out in the field & her actions have often caused trouble for other members of Team Arrow. She’s not just a danger to herself but to others. And this is where we once AGAIN get the show vs. tell with Laurel. Arguments based on reason & logic made by other characters like the above SHOW & TELL why Laurel shouldn’t be a vigilante, but were also told she’s a fighter for the public, w/o really seeing it. We’re either told something that completely contradicts what Laurel actually does, or we’re shown something that contradicts what we’re told. In terms of Laurel’s character, what’s show & what’s told are almost always two completely different things! This is a problem that the writers are responsible for!

4) As for Oliver himself, to answer your question; he argues all of the above. “It’s not what Sara would’ve wanted, Laurel.” “Think of your father, Laurel.” “You’re desire to be the BC is all about your addiction, Laurel.” Oliver makes all of the arguments at one point or another. And he, like all the other characters - Nyssa, Sara’s memory, Lance - are right! The fact that Laurel does it all regardless also proves the arguments against her, IMO.

And like all things with Laurel, it all goes back to the writing/development of her character. From a writing standpoint, Laurel did deserve better! But, she is what we got & as I’ve said before, “I mourn what she could’ve been…” b/c Laurel had so much promise, so much potential. But…”I don’t miss what she was!” The Laurel that could’ve been & the Laurel we got are as different as the Laurel that was shown to us & the Laurel the writers/producers told us about. They are two completely different Laurel’s!